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trying any suggested ideas. Hey, folks,

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thanks for joining us today. You
know, so often in our lives

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we find ourselves doing things that we
really don't enjoy, whether it's the job

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that we have or whatever that happens
to be. And yet ultimately there are

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so many things that we can do
to be happy, to experience joy.

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I'm really pleased today. I've got
a good friend that I've known through years

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that has gone through some really fascinating
experiences near death, and here he is

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now writing children's books and trying the
best that he can to give back and

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help children to understand the values that
are so important for a life of success

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and happiness and joy. So I
hope you will join us today, and

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I think you're going to just find
the whole discussion very fascinating. At the

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end of the day. It's not
about what you have or even what you've

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accomplished. It's about what you've done
with those accomplishments. It's about who you've

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lifted up, who you've made better. It's about what you've given back.

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Denzel Washington, Welcome to inspire vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the

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lives of others and to inspire you
to do the same. Craig, how

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are you doing good? I'm doing
good, dog, it's been. It's

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great to see you again. Well
it is, and you know, I

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don't think the folks realize, but
we've known each other for years years.

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Yeah, and I should have said
alohawk because I'm officially in Hawaii. That

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was the attire. Yeah, it's
it's been. I mean, the last

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time you and I talked was in
I think when you were living in Highland

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or I'll find somewhere in that area, I think. So, yeah,

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I was, yeah, I was
up in Draper, but it was that's

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right, that's right, you're right
Draper. Sorry, see I've already forgotten.

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This is what happens with old age. Well, but you know what,

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you have quite a fascinating story.
And when we knew each other what

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were you doing when we knew each
other? I was the CEO of a

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financial playing firm. Uh, and
we I mean, we had clients all

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over the country, and I was
I was massively immersed in on the national

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scale with with a board for that
industry, and was just flying back and

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forth across the country and spending time
in DC and New York and and yeah,

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I kind of got burned out.
I burnt out is the wrong word.

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I realized that I had achieved what
I needed to achieve there, and

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my partners said, what if we
buy you out? And I thought,

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I kind of like that idea,
So I took him up on it.

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And uh, and now I'm I'm
officially unofficially officially retired. Well, and

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you know what's interesting. I mean, I talk a lot about how adventurous

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such an important part of people's lives. And you you, you did what

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you did, you accomplished it.
You felt like he didn't really need anything

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else as far as purpose goes for
what you were doing. And so tell

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the audience what did you do?
Because this is fascinating. Well, you

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know, it's one of those stories. You know, I had a good

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friend here visiting it, not long
ago. You might know. I all

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mentioned his name just because I didn't
say I would. But he lives there

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in the not too far from where
you used to live. And he said,

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Craig, you're actually one of the
few people I've ever known that said

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you were going to do something and
then you went and did it. And

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what he's referring to is when I
sold my share in the company, I

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basically said, you know what,
I've got to do something completely different.

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I had been diagnosed with a pretty
rough illness and they didn't give me long

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to live. And when I survived
that, through every miracle you could possibly

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imagine, I said, that's it. This is you know, God is

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telling me that I need to be
moving forward. And so I sold my

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interests in the business. I sold
my home and there in Utah, got

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rid of my cars, sold my
furniture, and packed up and bought a

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little place, a little farm here
in Hawaii on the Big Island. And

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now I'm growing my own food,
and I've got solar power, and I'm

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writing children's books. And what got
you writing children's books? I've only interviewed

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one other personal lady that has written
some amazing children's books. And you know

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when when you contacted me and it's
fact, Okay, I'm going to send

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you these children's books, and I'm
gone, what on earth from me that

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I knew that managed financial stuff to
writing children's books? What was the motivation?

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What was the inspiration? Well,
you know, from from the time

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I was a little kid, I
was given my what my grandmother said and

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my parents said, the gift of
gab. I guess you could say,

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the ability to spend a good yarn
uh and uh. And I just love

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telling stories. And as I got
into my profession, as I got older,

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I realized that those I would tell
stories all the time to help my

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clients understand the concepts of finance,
which sometimes can be quite complicated. So

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I started using stories, and the
stories would catch on and they would reson

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and later, you know, as
the years went on, my clients would

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share those same stories with their kids, and I ended up with like two

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and three generations of clients that would
come back to me and repeat or regurgitate.

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Now, you know, mom and
dad or grandma and grandpa told me

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the story about how we don't want
to kill our soldiers would refer to their

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dollar bills as being soldiers, and
you don't want to kill your soldiers off.

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You want them to work for you, right, And began to realize

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the anecdote stuck with people, and
this simpler I made the story, the

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more it would resonate. And I
thought, you know, we need to

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start teaching kids at a younger age, and all the stories that I remember

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growing up stuck with me. And
so it just kind of it doesn't make

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sense, but yet it kind of
does that jump to children's stories because I

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thought, gee, I want to
share stories that resonate with children and stick

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with them, that have a good
purpose, you know, that have a

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good a good ending, or you
know, a good storyline. And so

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that was kind of my impetus to
jump to writing children's books, which is

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such a far cry from what I
was doing. And you've won some awards

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right with your books. Shockingly enough, Yeah, I didn't set out to

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win awards. But I ran across
an author and he said, you know,

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you really ought to submit your books
to these different book fairs and contests

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and conferences and things. And I
thought, well, it's okay, you

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know, I'll give that a shot. And so I submitted to a few

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and and got a couple like honorable
mentions. In other words, we got

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your book. It was better than
a lot that we had. So here's

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honorable mention. That was kind of
interesting. And so I submitted it to

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a few more, and lo and
behold, I ended up winning a couple

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and it was a finalist in a
couple. And now I've now I can

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actually say that I'm an international multi
award winning children's author, which that's great,

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just amazing, amazing dream. You
know, we're going to talk about

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that. But before we started the
show, you and I were talking a

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little bit and you were sharing how
you overcame that life threatening disease that you

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had. And we don't have to
go into it too much, but I

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find it fascinating. And I see
this a lot, as you know,

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I have a background in a medicine
and dentistry so forth. But but what

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you were sharing with man, I'd
like you to go into it a little

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bit more if you don't mind,
If you don't want to do, that's

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fine, but I'm happy to share. You know. The question is,

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in fact, I've experienced this too. You know, you get on certain

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medicines for whatever is you're getting a
little bit older, and all of a

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sudden they're working against each other,
and all of a sudden you're having symptomology

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that is really not what you want
to have, and yet here you are

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completely doing well from that life threatening
disease. What went on and how did

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it ultimately had better? You know, it was just I, you know,

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I'll explain it this way. So
you know, I started, uh

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realizing that I wasn't feeling very good, and and one day just about passed

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out. My heart rate had dropped
to almost forty beats a minute, and

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I was starting to lose consciousness.
And my wife, I don't know how

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she did this because she's only five
foot three, you know pounds, and

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I'm six I'm six one and and
you know, two hundred plus pounds.

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And she got me to the car
and drove me to the hospital, and

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they said, you know, he's
his body shutting down, he's you know,

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shutting down. And so anyway,
uh, fast forward, they were,

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you know, putting me on a
regiment of things that were treatments that

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were gonna hopefully, you know,
quote quote hopefully helped me. And uh

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I got a diagnose from this from
the doctor after about a month and a

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half of tasks that I had anywhere
from six to nine months to live.

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And that was because in tight that's
a that's a sobering topic. That's a

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sobering yeah, and uh and I
went, well, okay, there it

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is. So they got more aggressive
with their treatments and and all of a

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sudden, I wasn't getting better.
I was actually getting worse progressively faster,

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and I think I dropped down to
about one hundred and seventy eight pounds and

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wasn't able to eat hardly anything,
had lost my appetite, uh, you

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know, writing on the wall kind
of a thing. And my cute wife,

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she was a medical assistant background,
and she was looking up all the

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prescriptions and everything they were given me
and went back to the doctors and she

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said, I've done this research on
these. I hope you don't mind,

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but it seems like some of the
medication you're you're giving him is actually fighting

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other medication that you're giving in so
and that seems to be the case.

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And the doctors kind of looked at
everything because I had like three different doctors

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at that point in time. I
had my general practitioner and then I had

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two specialists that I was saying,
and they were all prescribing right based upon

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how they were looking at my illness. And sure enough, they said,

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you know what, that makes a
lot of sense. We've we've seen that

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happen in the past with these kinds
of cases. So they changed my regiment

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of prescriptions, and literally within six
months, I had a complete recession of

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the illness, not while I take
the back, not a complete recession,

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but I was getting better and and
you know, changed my lifestyle, changed

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my eating habits, changed kind of
everything really, and which ultimately led to

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me moving to Hawaii and and got
me kind of out of death doorstep.

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And now here we are four years
later, and I'm as healthy as I've

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ever been, in better shape than
I've ever been, uh, you know,

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giving my age. But it's shocking, it's it's truly shocking, and

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and somewhat of a miracle, I'll
be I had a lot of prayers.

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I had a lot of people praying
for me, people I didn't even know,

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and that to me was also somewhat
overwhelming. You know, I come

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from a small community in Kentucky,
and uh, and by the time things

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had culminated, every church every denomination
had offered, you know, prayers,

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and I was like, I don't
even know these people. I didn't even

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know these people, So you know, I would have to say there was

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a lot of positive influence coming my
way and for that I will be eternally

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grateful. So yeah, yeah,
And it isn't interesting how whether you want

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to kill up prayers or or you
know, the meditation, healing and all

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of that type of thing. When
people gathered together and their energy is tapping

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into whatever to heal someone or to
help someone to do better, it's amazing.

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We call them miracles, and yet
here you are. But what fascinates

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me is that you moved from something
you were doing into a whole ideal type

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of place to live with your property
and your house and so forth. And

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has it changed your Has it changed
your perspective on life to make those changes?

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Oh? Absolutely. Things that I
used to get so worked up about

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and so tied about all of a
sudden kind of melted away. And I

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almost think that was part of the
healing process as well, when I became

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less concerned with what was going on
in the world and the microcosms that people

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get caught up in, and you
know that the headbetting that goes on in

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our in our social media life now
and I kind of removed myself from a

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lot of that. The stress and
the anxiety, uh and and at times

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the just cheer frustration of life in
general kind of melted away. Uh.

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You know. I I began to
realize that that frenetic pace that I was

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living was as just as much detrimental
to my life as as as any as

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the illness that I was fighting.
Uh. And now I just say that

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I'm a truly at peace is an
understatement. I am truly at peace.

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I love being out here working in
my garden. I've got I'm growing limes

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and valencia oranges and tangerines, pineap
I got pineapples, I got a little

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banana guh, you know. And
I'm just I'm just loving it. I

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I just have thoroughly enjoyed it.
And I'm relaxed, more relaxed now than

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I've ever been. I go to
sleep about that quick when I go to

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bed at night, and I wake
up in the morning and I'm ready to

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go, and it's it is.
It's it's been. It's been. It's

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been a true miracle. It's been
a true inspiration to myself. So you

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know, and you mentioned it,
it's so true. I mean, there's

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been a lot of studies now that
medically that shows that stress, anxiety,

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all of those things are absolutely detrimental
to individual's health to the point that they

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experienced all sorts of different things.
And I think we've all gone through that

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to a point. So you're you're
not a coach, You're you know,

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you're not a psychologist. But but
if you're going to if you were going

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to talk to people who are feeling
stress and are feeling anxiety and are just

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really not experiencing the joy of life, what would you say to them?

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This is going to sound so trite, but you you've almost got to find

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a happy place, a place of
refuge. And whether that's a city park,

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whether that's a room in your home, whether that's reading a good book,

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whether that's you know, driving down
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I find solace. I have a
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my motorcycle and just get out on
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not a lot. Now it's it's
my property here, but you've got to

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find some place that you can find
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where you can just go, Okay, I'm taking this moment for myself.

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And then you've got to start removing. You've got to start removing the obstacles

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in your life that are in the
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there are toxic people all around us
in this world, and they've become

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more toxic. And that could be
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workers, that could be family members. Even can also add to toxicity in

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your life. And I would say, you've got to start saying, all

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right, you know I love you, but you know I can only take

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this much and then I have to
be done for today or and you know

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what, that is so tough to
do, but it is so true.

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I remember in my own personal life, I had to separate from a family

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member for a while just because they
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life. And you know, it's
it's fascinating how people the fear of doing

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that can be so great that they
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and the stress and all of those
types of things. And all they have

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all they have to do is number
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on. That's the first thing.
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enough to really delve into it and
make tough decisions. And you know what,

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that is not easy. So here
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in Hawaii, and all of a
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Okay, so that's fun. You
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your books and so forth. But
overall, what is the purpose? What

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do you find is within that heart
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you decided to actually write the books
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stories the way you used to.
I think something that could be passed on,

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something that's a bit more permanent than
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time, as you and I both
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know, I think I've got some
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travel, from my personal experiences.
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are. They're they're from my travels
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that that that I felt would stick
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meaning, that would encourage uh.
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wanted to do. With my writing, as I wanted to be very encouraging

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and very positive. Have you know
good you have some good values that need

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to be conveyed, which I think
we're losing at a rapid pace in our

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current world. Um, and just
kind of reminders really, I mean written

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word reminders that that something that that
a small child can pick up because small

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children are are so coachable and their
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They just absorb everything around them.
So for me as a child, you

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know, my dad left when I
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my life, and my grandparents raised
me and they were always very encouraging and

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they they stepped in and provided me
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gotten in a single family home.
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push that forward. I turned to
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to stories at a young age.
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and I you know, I read
the Edgar Ice Burrows, the Tarzans and

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the John Carter of Mars and you
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and just got completely at prolesque buck
a Good Earth and just my reading as

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it was a way for me to
escape the struggles of my reality. And

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I've turned here, I am,
you know, through a professional career,

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and I'm going that's what got me
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that I found I found solace in
reading, and I found direction in reading,

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and I found people that I had
to overcome tremendous obstacles to pursue their

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dream and to pursue what they envisioned
for themselves. And and so I just

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want to perpetuate that, and I
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to be the next, you know, generation of authors that provide that value

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in that story and that encouragement to
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know, you know, And it's
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think the kids now in many cases
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and a lot of it has to
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that, but they really are struggling. What's interesting to me, and I've

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you know, I've been doing some
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that has come up that I think
is so true is that what we experienced

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in their life is really based on
all of our experiences in childhood. Um,

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you know, it's all those subconscious
beliefs that we've developed and so forth,

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it's our eats a perception. And
therefore, you know, you and

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I, You and I could be
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could say something to you, and
they could say something to me, and

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if you are that happy, go
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person, and I'm one that's kind
of frustrated, and so forth, we're

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going to take that same comment and
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wasn't that lovely, And I'm going
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it's only it's only yeah, it's
a perspective and perception. And it's so

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true with our children now that you
know they're they're seeing so much on as

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you mentioned, social media, and
they're being told so many things, and

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guess what, they're developing a perception
based on what they're hearing. So I

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love the fact that you're your goal
is to try to teach these kids that

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they would just read, try to
teach them some of these little subtleties of

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goodness and kindness and love and all
of that that perhaps will affect them in

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a very positive way so that when
they grow up and start to experience life

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in general, they're perception will be
such that they're really experiencing a life of

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joy and happiness, right and realizing
and recognizing that that. You know,

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if you really, if you base
your success or what you think is success

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on what social media or what the
current world portrays, you're going to be

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chasing. It's like a dog chasing
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because what is being projected as success
and happiness and stability and all these things

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that is being projected in the world
of social media and our mainstream media,

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it's impossible to keep up with.
You can't ever catch that. So if

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you can find some core values for
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in your life and those challenges come, and they will come, you'll have

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a better basis of a way to
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a young age did for me,
is that it allowed me to go back

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and say, well, you know, I remember when King Arthur was struggling

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really bad and things were falling apart. Now, granted, at the end

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of that story it didn't work out
too well for him. He didn't win.

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He actually ended up losing basically everything. But that story continue to resonate

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through the centuries to a point where
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but he still dreamed. He still
dreamed of something better than what was

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available at the time. And I
think we've got to teach kids to dream

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again. We've got to teach them
to stay focused on their expectations and not

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what the world expects, because that's
that's a that's a that's a non attainable

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goal. Well, and what would
he you know? You talk about values,

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and based on what you have experienced, in what you observed, what

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would you say you're some of those
important values that our children need to learn,

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and hopefully our parents are able to
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Failure is okay, Number one.
It is okay to fall flat on your

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face. And in fact, I
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it doesn't matter how many times you
fail, that's okay. As long

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as you learn something from every single
failure, then the next time you'll know

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what to overcome. Well, and
you know that. And that's interesting because

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so many children are brought up thinking
that they're failure is they're no good,

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you know, and that that belief
has affected so many people in their lives.

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And yet, as you say,
to understand that failure isn't a failure,

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it's an experience that helps us to
grow. Right. I mean,

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I still get invited to lecture at
universities, and I still lecture at you

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VU every quarter or every semester.
Still, and I tell the kids,

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the best thing you can do is
go out and fail. That's the best

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thing I could best advice I can
give you is go out and fall flat

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on your face, because you will
learn more in that failure than every success

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you'll ever have. It really doesn't
matter. And it's okay to stumble,

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and it's okay pick yourself up,
brush yourself off, and say, okay,

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what did I learn just now?
I learned that okay. And a

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lot of times is totally out of
your hands that that failure occurs. But

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many times is just subtle, subtle
things about us that if we realize,

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wow, I've got to change this
because what I did there is probably contributing

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to the failure. So if I
can change that approach, and you know,

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having the ability to do that,
and as you say, you know,

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we're so broad up in a community
and a concept of failure and sin

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and all of that and guilt and
shame, when, as you're talking about

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it, if we look at it
from a different perspective and perception of you

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know what this I am so grateful
for this experience because look what I've learned,

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And so the next time I'm going
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do better. Yeah, exactly,
exactly. I just I can't speak enough

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about that. I really can't.
I mean, I think if I were

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to do a whole, if I
were to do any coaching at all,

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it would be, oh, you
fill today, Great, what did you

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learn? You know, that's awesome? What did you learn? And if

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we start changing the perception of failure
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and it's going to be what breaks
people to that just didn't work this time?

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at yourself and say, all right, how can I improve me? How

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can I improve me? So that
the next time I recognize one of the

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things I was really bad at a
younger was asking for help. I was

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really really bad. I felt like
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all great ideas originated in me,
and therefore, you know, it was

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all on me for everything. And
once I realized through failure that it's good

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to ask people for help, it's
okay to ask questions, I became a

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nuisance because I started asking a lot. I would find the most successful people

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I could find, and whatever it
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you know, I did this at
high school, and I highly recommend

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this. I would find someone that
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would call him up. I'd call
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I'm a high school student. Da
da, da da. This is what

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I'm doing. I would really love
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he'd be willing on me. I'll
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time is valuable. And I would
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down with them, and I'll tell
you what I think. I rarely paid

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for lunch, I really believe.
I can't remember how many times I had

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and I would ask questions. And
invariably, what I learned through asking these

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successful people questions was they all failed, and they all felt like they had

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made massive mistakes, and they all
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that commonality just helped me along,
and they would always offer say have you

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read this, or have you read
this? Or you know, have you

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researched this? And then they turned
me into a knowledge hound for lack of

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a better explanation to where I was
seeking out and wanting to find. You

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know, what were they reading,
what were they doing? You know,

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what time did they get up in
the morning, what time did they go

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bed at night? Were they focusing
their time and attention? How did they

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take time off? And invariably a
lot of that sculpted who I eventually ended

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up becoming. And and it was
okay, yeah, yeah, absolutely so

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failure one one important thing. What
are some of the other values that you

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find we really need our children to
understand for their health, determination, determination,

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perseverance, determination, Uh, you
know, when things get difficult,

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if if things aren't going the way
you want them to go. I find

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that people quit too quickly, They
quit too quickly, and sometimes I'm finding

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that they quit because they are afraid
of failing, so they quit. It's

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easier to quit and walk away.
And there are times when that may be

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the case that that's necessary. But
but exhaust every opportunity. A good example,

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this is my friends hated playing board
games with me when I was younger,

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hated it, especially Monopoly. Would
I would it was I was worse

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when I was losing than when I
was winning. When I was winning,

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it was fine. But when I
was losing, I would literally go through

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and mortgage every single property I had
to roll the diocese. If I get

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past, go and get two hundred
dollars and put Baltic Avenue out of mortgage

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again. You know, I would
do that, just whatever it took to

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get around the board one more time. I mean, ultimately I lost a

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lot of games, but I would. I would literally exhaust myself in the

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game to find out, Okay,
what move do I have left? What

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do I have left? You know? And so I think too many people

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quit too quick, and I think
you need to be to you know,

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you need to have some determination on
your goals. You need to have very

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defined goals. Those goals need to
be movable. And that's the other thing,

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you know, perseverance, determination and
your goals need to be flexible.

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Sometimes we get in these rooms and
people say, where do you see yourself

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in five years? Where do you
see those shelf continuers paint the biggest picture

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you possibly can. That's great,
But they fail to say, all right,

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now, back all those goals down, what can you start doing today

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to meet that goal ten years from
now? And they don't take the big,

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monstrous goal down to something that's bite
sized. And that's where most people

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fail is they set these exorbitant goals
for themselves, and when they don't meet

410
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:15.440
these exorbitant goals, they quit.
So their lack of determination is hampered in

411
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.079
the fact that they've they've created too
big of a goal. Well, let's

412
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:21.839
start with a simple goal. All
right, you have hard time getting up

413
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.839
in the morning. Great, what
time should you be getting up in the

414
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:28.839
morning, Well at eight o'clock?
Okay, great, you sleep until nine

415
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:31.440
thirty ten o'clock, Well, all
right, start setting the clock a little

416
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:35.960
fifteen minutes earlier. Fifteen minutes or
into the fact that you hit that goal

417
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.480
of of eight o'clock, or you
know, I get a heck of a

418
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:44.359
lot earlier than net. But yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean,

419
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.880
if if six o'clock comes around and
I'm not out of it already,

420
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:51.920
I feel like I've slept in.
But I mean, it's incremental that didn't

421
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:57.839
happen overnight. It's it's incremental,
incremental victories. Small victories lead to big

422
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:02.359
success. Well, there's a saying
that comes to my mind, and I

423
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:07.759
smile with it. It's, you
know, be a little bit afraid of

424
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:09.640
what you ask for because you might
get it. You might get it.

425
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:15.200
And you know, it's interesting here, you were extremely successful in your business,

426
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:21.319
and so forth you found a whole
new adventure and a different life,

427
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:25.559
which obviously you're experiencing and loving it
and so forth. I think one thing

428
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:31.039
I remember from years ago when I
was going to business school was this concept

429
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:37.240
of you know, once you've played
a game and won, it's time to

430
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.160
find a new game. Time to
get a new game. Yeah, it's

431
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.920
time to get a new game.
And you know what, in our lives,

432
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.559
we may have multiple games that we're
playing. But the point is is

433
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:52.680
if those games give us a sense
of success and give us more importantly,

434
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:57.240
a successive joy and happiness and service, you know, it makes such a

435
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:01.039
difference. And you know there when
you when I was younger, I was

436
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:06.359
the American dream. I was chasing. I was chasing the brass key.

437
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:09.559
You know, I really was.
I was whatever it took, whatever hours

438
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:14.239
it took, and I paid a
price for that, and you do.

439
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:17.400
You pay a price for success there, don't. Don't kid yourself, you

440
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:22.360
know. And for me it was
it was unfortunately time away from my kids.

441
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:25.039
And I would tell people, hey, you only have to work half

442
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:28.800
days if you want to be successful. The first twelve hours or the second

443
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:30.960
twelve hours. Now, I stole
that from somebody. I can't remember exactly

444
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:36.119
who it was, but I may
have been Warren Buffett, actually, I

445
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:37.920
think, come to mind. But
my kids said, Dad, it was

446
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:45.719
more like sixteen hours. Yeah.
Yeah, they're probably right. You know,

447
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:47.880
they're probably right, but you will
pay a price, so you have

448
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.119
to decide. I'm not that person
anymore now. I love having my kids

449
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.280
around. They love coming over and
visit. When they come over and visit,

450
00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:00.159
everything gets gets set aside and all
I do is focus on them the

451
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.639
whole trip. And it's wonderful and
it's great. But you have to be

452
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.880
careful what you wish for. You
just might get it. Well, that's

453
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.360
true. Thing that may not be
no, no, And you know what,

454
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.320
you sent me a couple of books. I've read all of them when

455
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:15.519
I first got them, when I
first got them. The other day and

456
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:17.840
on Holy Cow, how am I
going to read these? And then I

457
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:24.119
realized these are kids books. These
are kids and so Pablo and his painting

458
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:30.480
and you know, and this story
about you, apparently about Alma almost scared

459
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:32.599
Santo. Wait, you've got a
new book. You've written a new book,

460
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:36.199
right, No, that the Santa
is the new book. That's the

461
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.400
way it is. Okay, that's
the one that just barely came out.

462
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:43.440
In fact, it's ironic because here
it is July twenty fifth, we're talking,

463
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:46.679
and Christmas in July, and our
book just released this month, and

464
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:50.440
I keep joking, well, let's
get this thing out there for Christmas in

465
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.320
July. But but yeah, Pablo, do you mind if we talk let's

466
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:57.800
talk about Pablo for a second.
No, no, because I find that,

467
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:00.800
you know, one of the questions
I was gonna asks, as you've

468
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:06.400
written these books, what is really
the main meaning that you're trying to portray

469
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.559
to the children that are going to
be reading these or even to the adults

470
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:13.239
that maybe reading it to their children. Yeah. I think adults could probably

471
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.440
learn from it as well, probably
more. Um. Well, you know,

472
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:21.960
so I went on a trip many
many years ago, almost forty years

473
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:27.639
ago, now not quite thirty five
and I was in Mosilon, Mexico,

474
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.800
and uh, you know, typical
tourists out there doing the typical tourist thing.

475
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:37.719
And we walked by this U section
that had you know, paints and

476
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:42.400
souvenirs and you know, all that
all that stuff you can buy in Mexico.

477
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.400
And there was an older gentleman out
in front of one of these places

478
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:52.079
and he was painting plates and I
was watching him and they're just these so

479
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.840
I have one here, Yeah,
I've got this. This is actually this

480
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:59.440
is actually one of those Okay,
okay, for those that are not listening

481
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.880
and watching, you can see that. For those watching can see this.

482
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:09.719
But you know, I was like
stunned because he would whip out this painting

483
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:15.360
and like minutes and in just minutes. And then as people, you know,

484
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.280
throughout our trip there, I would
stop by every day and I'd watch

485
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.320
him for a few minutes and I
would start I started kind of asking him

486
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:28.320
questions when he wasn't busy, and
and the story of Pablo was born from

487
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.440
that. And I asked him,
I said, well, when did you

488
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:34.280
start paying? Oh? I loved
as a child. I loved to draw

489
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:38.199
as a child, and my mother
saw that I really enjoyed drawing, and

490
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:45.239
she she facilitated me meeting a local
artist in our community and he took me

491
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:50.920
under his wing and I had to
earn my key to learn painting from him.

492
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.960
And over time he became this painter
and he could draw. He could

493
00:37:54.000 --> 00:38:00.480
paint almost anything imaginable. People would
come by and say, paint me on

494
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.519
the beach and dolphins in the water, and you know, just create and

495
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:06.800
he would whip it out in just
minutes. I think about nine plates from

496
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.199
the guy who was there, just
because I was so enthralled by it and

497
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:16.280
his story of of you know,
education and respect and determination to follow his

498
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:23.280
dreams to the point that he became
successful and is now apprenticing, you know,

499
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.079
a child under him to learn how
to do this, and just the

500
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:31.400
story captivated me and I told the
story in lectures for years and would share

501
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:35.599
that with people and say, here's
here's an individual in Mexico that was making

502
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:39.719
a very good living for himself and
doing something he trotally loved and how could

503
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:45.280
you not be enthralled with with that
story, with that success. But he

504
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:50.159
said hours, hours and hours and
hours over years and years and years to

505
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:54.239
perfect his skill. So Pablo the
plate Painter of Mazitlan is basically that story

506
00:38:54.920 --> 00:39:01.159
based on that story, and how
any child with a dream to achieve something

507
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:06.719
if they if they follow the blueprint
of that story in that book, could

508
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.119
also achieve the success they're looking for. Well, and I think you've hit

509
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:16.920
on a really key aspect doing something
that you love. If you can do

510
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:22.480
it the right way, you're going
to be able to support yourself financially.

511
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:29.440
And yet at the same time it's
no longer work. Exactly exactly that is.

512
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:31.639
I mean, I loved what I
did in finance, I really did.

513
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:37.199
I devoured books on it, I
went to lectures, I researched,

514
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.840
I studied, I got copious numbers
of licenses into copious numbers of tests.

515
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:46.519
You know, yeah, really,
I really enjoyed the process. I really

516
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:50.960
enjoyed the whole process. And I
love being able to do what I did

517
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.920
for our clients. Uh. You
know, writing, I've always loved writing.

518
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:59.000
I've always loved telling stories. So
really, you know, my career

519
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:04.440
allowed me that expression. And when
that career was no longer available to me,

520
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:05.880
and I thought, well, what
am I going to do now?

521
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:12.880
Right? And that's that's when I
started. Any came and you know,

522
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.679
one of the messages as you were
just sharing this with Pablo, and that,

523
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:21.960
Pablo, is this concept of paying
it forward. Here he received a

524
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.280
mentorship from someone. Now that he's
older, being successful, he's turning around

525
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:31.280
and seeking to mentor someone else.
And I think that's so important, right,

526
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:36.880
And he was and it was instigated
by his family seeing that he had

527
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:42.960
a love for something and helping,
you know, giving him that little push,

528
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:47.719
getting him that introduction. And I
think that's where family becomes so important

529
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:51.960
in a young person's life. If
they've got I don't care if it's an

530
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:53.800
uncle and aunt, a grandparent,
a cousin, a brother or sister,

531
00:40:54.639 --> 00:41:00.199
mother, doesn't matter who it is. If there is someone that can help

532
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:06.400
guide that that young energy into into
the thing they love doing, it just

533
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.760
makes all the world of difference today. Yeah, And it's such it's such

534
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:13.960
a challenge because I mean, I
grew up in a family five boys,

535
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.280
one girl, right, and my
dad basically said to us, you will

536
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:22.079
all be professionals. Now he was
a he was a classical voice teacher and

537
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:27.679
nationally known, okay, and yet
what he said to us is you will

538
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:32.760
all be professionals, so business school, dentistry, MBA's, you know,

539
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:39.000
whatever that happens to be, except
for one brother who really took it hard

540
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:44.800
from my dad because he would keep
criticizing him he didn't go to college and

541
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.280
so forth. But guess who's who. Guess who's the wealthiest one in the

542
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:52.639
family. See, there you go, there you go. So there.

543
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:59.280
You know, it's interesting how as
parents, what a challenge and what a

544
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.480
blessing it would be to identify what
our children really love, what are their

545
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.000
values, what is it that they
want to do, and instead of saying

546
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.480
no, you need to be this
or you need to do that, encouraging

547
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:16.960
them and helping them to discover where
that they can make a good living doing

548
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:22.519
the thing that they love right right
and and and it's okay if you know.

549
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:24.840
And here's the other side of that. I mean, it's the fact

550
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:29.559
that you know, maybe you can't
make a living doing what you really love

551
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.039
to do. So in the meantime, earn a living, you know,

552
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:37.360
earn a living, but but don't
put your passion away. And that happens

553
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:40.800
so often. So you hear people
all the time, you know, I

554
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:45.039
got a degree in this or I
you know, I started in the family

555
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:47.199
business, or I had to get
a job and started, you know,

556
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:53.239
started this, But I really always
wanted to be a photographer, a chef,

557
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:58.480
uh, you know, whatever,
whatever it is, don't hide that

558
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:02.840
an artist. Don't hide that passion. Continue to pursue that passion until your

559
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:09.440
your livelihood allows you to pursue the
passion. Maybe it doesn't happen right away.

560
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:15.239
Colonel Sanders didn't become the founder of
KFC until he was sixty five,

561
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:19.039
you know, being a Kentucky boy, that's a story. I grew up

562
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:23.320
with well selling chicken on the side
of a road, and you know,

563
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:27.920
and it's so challenging. I remember
as I was working with clients, you

564
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:31.079
know, and doing some business consulting, it was fascinating because so many people

565
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:35.320
would say I hate my job.
I hate my job, and I'm going,

566
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.480
all right, what is it that
you love? And they go,

567
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:40.679
well, I'd like to do this. I said, wait, wait,

568
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.559
wait, wait a minute, how
about looking at your job not as your

569
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:51.920
life, but as a means of
allowing you to do these other things.

570
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.480
And the minute and again we get
into perception. But the minute they changed

571
00:43:54.519 --> 00:44:00.440
their perception, realize that that job
is giving them a lively hood that if

572
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:06.719
they will just quit complaining about it
and focused on the fact that it's giving

573
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:10.039
them the ability to do something that
they really love. What a difference that

574
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:15.960
makes in their lives. Yeah,
sometimes you have to you have to find

575
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:21.760
an unpleasant conduit to get you through
the trouble to the thing you enjoy doing.

576
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:24.320
And it's you know, my grandmother
used to say, and I'm gonna

577
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:30.239
I'm gonna tone this down because she
would say, never let shoveling manure be

578
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.039
beneath you. And I can understand
how you tell them that, now,

579
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.320
Yeah, yeah, so and so
I always took that to heart. It's

580
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:44.000
like I had jobs that I absolutely
hated. I hated it, but I

581
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:45.960
was like, going, Okay,
this is just a means to an end.

582
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.000
I just I got to do my
job. I'm going to do it

583
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:51.800
the best I can because I've committed
to this job. So I'm going to

584
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:54.679
shovel some manure for a while because
I know at the end of the day,

585
00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:58.239
I'm going to get to go do
the thing I really enjoy doing.

586
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.400
And so and you have to recognize
that that's okay, And to me,

587
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:07.400
that's not failing, that's succeeding.
You know, if you're exactly if you're

588
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:13.760
able to do the thing you don't
enjoy so that you can have time or

589
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.920
the money or the resources to do
the things you really do love to do.

590
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:22.400
To me, that's that's success,
all right. So as we're coming

591
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.800
to a close here, Craig,
we even talked about the Christmas story.

592
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:31.440
Darn missed out real quick. If
you could share and you can include the

593
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:36.880
Christmas story in this, if you
could take one minute and share a message

594
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.599
that you would like to share to
the audience, what would that be.

595
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.719
I am going to use the Christmas
story because I think it's Germane. When

596
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.320
I was little, and this is
where the Christmas story came from, I

597
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:55.679
was extremely impatient for the rewards of
Christmas, extremely impatient, and in fact

598
00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:05.239
got to the point that my family
would become exacerbated, exhausted with my attempts

599
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.280
to catch Santa Claus. I would
be up all night long, I would

600
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:12.639
sneak out of my room, I
would do all the things that a child

601
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:16.599
that is anxious for Santa Claus to
come would do. I became so impatient

602
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:25.400
that I jeopardized what should have been
a miraculous morning. And and and life

603
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:31.440
is much like that. We become
so impatient for the culmination of the thing

604
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:36.559
that we want, you know,
for that to happen, that sometimes we

605
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:42.199
get in our way and create potential
for the thing that we truly want to

606
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:46.559
not take place. Amen to that, Craig, get in our own way.

607
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:52.239
Yeah, it's been so wonderful to
see to reconnect. I mean,

608
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.679
how many years, how many years
has been ten? Oh gosh, Doug,

609
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:59.719
I don't know, but I wouldn't
be surprised if that's not the case.

610
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:04.440
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
But maybe, but this is wonderful.

611
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.599
And and so what's your next book
going to be? I'm actually working

612
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:12.599
on a series that has that has
been I've got a couple of series that

613
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:15.440
I'm working on right now. And
the one that is I'm having the most

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fun with is I've got a dog
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is a healer, so very a
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him around the island. We got
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going to The working title right now
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the ocean and everything that's wonderful.
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site they can get both of these
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you go. You get both books
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Oh thank you, and folks,
thanks for listening. I hope you really

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enjoyed this, and you know it's
such an important message. So have a

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joyous life, find joy in what
you're doing, get rid of that stress,

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and quite frankly, eliminate the people
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stress. So thanks for listening,
and we look forward to having you join

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us again.